I'm In A Sexual Relationship With My Guardian Angel

PREVIEW 0:00
I feel like I corrupted him because I feel like um... at the end of the day, I still took his virginity and that's just what it is.

INTRO 0:11
"I survived a plane crash. I accidentally killed my mother. I can't stop cheating on my husband. I am sexually attracted to clowns. I like dressing up as a baby. My wife doesn't know I'm gay. I'm attracted to violent criminals. I can't stop eating toilet paper. I was an alcoholic by the age of 10. If anyone ever found out, I'd probably go to jail.  I just couldn't stop myself. I can't help it. It only happens when I sleep. I used to drink with my father. I looked down and my leg was scorching and on fire. I slept with her brother. I have no regrets..."

[Priest] 0:30
Welcome to Strange Lives. I'm your host, Priest Porferio. Here with my special co-host, Deniece Michele.

[Deniece] 0:37
Thanks for having me, Priest. I'm looking forward to a very interesting conversation. What's on the agenda for today?

[Priest] 0:43
Well, we often hear stories of aliens, ghosts, and other paranormal encounters. But today's guest has something a little different for us. She says that not only did she meet her guardian angel, but she has a sexual relationship with him as well.

[Deniece] 0:58
Wait, a sexual relationship with her guardian angel?

[Priest] 1:03
I have so many questions.

[Deniece] 1:04
Yeah, I have several just right off the top.

[Priest] 1:08
Let's get into it. We do have our guest on the line. First of all, I just want to say thank you so much for being on our show today.

[Guest] 1:14
Yeah, thank you for having me.

[Priest] 1:16
So can you tell us a little bit about the story that you submitted to us?

[Guest] 1:21
Yeah, that was an interesting experience I had this year. I had some kind of like a series of just unfortunate events that occurred. Someone came into my life and later on revealed himself as being connected to God here on a mission, who helped me, claimed he was guardian angel of mine. I did have some people look into it that are experts in this type of thing. Spiritual connections did confirm that he is just other things to let me know that he is.

[Priest] 1:55
How is it that you first met him? How did he come into your life?

[Guest] 2:00
Just appeared. That's just how it is. I don't know how he found me or anything like that, but he just appeared at the moment that I needed. I pretty much just got mugged, it was the middle of the night and I got robbed so I didn't have anything. And I was pretty much gonna freeze to death. I wasn't sure what to do. I didn't know where it was. This is back in Utah, so in Utah there's not that much it's not as densely populated as somewhere like New York City where I'm from. So you're stranded out there. You're really screwed. And just appeared out of nowhere and escorted me to safety. Didn't really say much, knew exactly what I needed and just decided I don't know how he had all this unlimited time, but he stayed with me and started trying to help me through my issues of like, why I was even out there late at night. I’m like a social butterfly. So I like to go out and meet new people. And when I did meet these new people, they lured me somewhere to take advantage of me.

[Priest] 2:55
What a horrible situation to be in.

[Guest] 2:57
Yeah, it was pretty bad out there, but there's a really big crime wave going on in Salt Lake City. So at that time I was super unaware. Just literally saw me, approached me. I didn't even know what I was doing. I was just so out of my mind because I was so cold. It was like deep winter at that point. At the end of February, early March, I had a coat and everything else we got stolen, all that stuff, money, everything was taken.

[Priest] 3:22
When you first saw him, did he appear to you as an ethereal being or was this flesh and blood?

[Guest] 3:26
Yeah, and that's why I'm curious to know why it's so unclear, because I didn't see anyone walk up to me or hear that. I'm very hyper vigilant, so I always notice when someone's coming from a distance, it doesn't matter, it just appeared by my side. And that was interesting to me because he just appeared by my side and just started hugging me and I just felt that and I didn't really feel like this presence yet. Just felt this feeling and it's like, “Are you okay?” And then breaking code, and the rest of history. He started talking to me and not too long after that he admitted to me that's his purpose, that's why he's here, that's what he's going to do for me until I don't need him anymore. So that was definitely interesting. He just appeared as a flesh and blood person. But at first it wasn't because I didn't really feel - I felt the more warmth of his hug than the actual feeling of a body behind me.

[Deniece] 4:25
That was going to be my question. I was curious if given what you had just gone through, was his presence startling to you, or were you afraid?

[Guest] 4:36
No, not at all. Not at all. I was not even scared at one moment and I already knew I was saved. It was just natural. I don't know how to explain it, it's so interesting. Yeah, I didn't even think about that, but yeah, he just appeared just like that.

[Priest] 4:52
Usually after going through something like that and then a stranger coming up to you, normally your first reaction would be to be scared, but to immediately feel comforted by that, that's a very interesting aspect to it.

[Guest] 5:03
Yeah. And I've noticed people when things happen like that, there's always someone around. There was no one around, so I would have noticed. I would have heard footsteps on the pavement, snapping tree stems or leaves and things like that. So it was just interesting he made it all went up to me. I was just sitting down on the ground just feeling upset about that and “Oh my gosh, how could I let this happen? And, “Gosh, why there are no police, been around?” Things like that. Yeah, he just appeared.

[Priest] 5:32
So he saved you from the freezing cold, the danger that you had went through, how did things progress after that?

[Guest] 5:37
He just said that he didn't want to leave my side ever and just wanted to be around me whenever I would leave my home.

[Priest] 5:44
And a relationship began from there?

[Guest] 5:47
Not exactly right away, maybe like a couple of days after. He said, “Hey, by the way, I really like you. I've noticed you for years.” And I'm like, “For years?” So I made sure that I was comfortable being with him first before he made it clear I guess, it's really what I am to you. Because when he said that to me the first night, I was skeptical and just thinking, “Oh, he's just saying that loosely as a term.”

[Deniece] 6:12
I was thinking the same thing. I guest if somebody had said that to me with initial reaction like, “Get out of here!” Some sort of not being serious. Just given the fact that you have been so comforted after a situation that you've been through. W ere you in a relationship or were you single in this time of your life?

[Guest] 6:31
I actually was, I was then. That's why it was not a problem that he propositioned that to me first. I said, “No, I'm not sure,” but I was like, okay, now it's days after. I'm not too sure why he would even ask me things like that when he knows what his position was. And I just feel like he was just trying to have male urges but he's never really just demonstrated that. And also the way he was in my life, he wasn't trying to be like a boyfriend figure; he was just more trying to protective… almost like a bodyguard. I was having trouble with people in my neighborhood, so he was always watching and being present and accompanying me. The things I do. I was just making sure it was just always accompanied by him. And that's why I was wondering, I was like… how does he have all this unlimited time?

[Priest] 7:20
Right? How did he stay in your life and communicate with you? Would you just show up all the time?

[Guest] 7:25
Yeah, he would just show up. He would show up on… when he would disappear or he would be specific about when he would see me again or where he would want to see me again.

[Priest] 7:36
So it wasn't like he was calling me or anything, right? He would always just appear?

[Guest] 7:39
No, he was calling, he has a phone. He touched his phone, yeah?

[Priest] 7:44
Yeah, but we think of guardian angels as these angels and these beings and I'm just trying to flesh out… he just looked like a normal man and he had a phone, right?

[Guest] 7:52
Yeah. He didn't really quite look like a normal man though. He definitely looked a little more clean cut than the average guy. And he had this kind of like glow to him. Definitely had that just quintessential guardian angel kind of stature and look. I know this, hmmm I've never seen anyone that looks like him before. Dressed like him, things like that.

[Priest] 8:15
Were you immediately attracted to him?

[Guest] 8:17
I guess it wasn't immediate because I when I met him… then once I started feeling better, I was yes.

[Priest] 8:23
So it did eventually progress to being a romantic relationship, right?

[Guest] 8:27
Yes, it did.

[Priest] 8:28
And who initiated that? Was that you or was that him?

[Guest] 8:31
It was him. He really desired that. That was his biggest desire. He'd get very frustrated with me when I would try to not admit that I like doing things like that. He knew right away. I just wanted to be very proper and formal. You know, I just met this guy and he helped me out , did me a solid. So let's not push the envelope here. So that was definitely his idea. He just always wanted that, still does want that. I was the one who pushed him out of my life because I wasn't ready for that kind of lifestyle. I didn't know what kind of future that was. And also the way it was with him, he was just so into like, “Ok, now I have full control over you .” Also, he just disappeared a lot. And I wouldn’t be able to find him, and it would be very interesting. And then he’d just appeared out of nowhere and no one would know where he is. And so, if that's what that is, I’m starting to see more and more signs. I couldn't handle it. It was just too much. I can't handle that.

[Priest] 9:26
In the beginning when he was wanting this romantic relationship with you and he was pushing for that, was there ever a point where you didn't believe him or you didn't trust him and thought, “This is just a man and not a guardian angel” as he says he is?

[Guest] 9:42
Yeah, I thought that too. There were certain things that about him. It's just interesting. I've been always very involved with religion, deity, my entire life. I was very involved with the Catholic Church before I converted to Mormonism and got very involved with the Mormon Church. So I know a lot about this. At the time, I was with the Catholic Church and I was just having to make a private meeting with one of the clergy members and talking about just the challenge I was facing. And she told me specifically that I will meet my guardian angel sometime in my youth. She described him to me and certain characteristics that are very unique. She said, I have those, and if you meet a man with those characteristics, then you'll know he had those characteristics. And when I found out about that, that immediately rang the bell in my head. I was like, “Oh, my goodness, this is real.”

[Priest] 10:33
Yeah, this is real. This is him.

[Guest] 10:35
Yep. He's very assertive. He’s very much into making sure I’m safe. Doesn't really like me being so social and out there and about. He thinks that’s just not the environment. He doesn't really like what's going on in the world right now. Obviously he's straight edge and he doesn't really like this modern society.

[Priest] 10:55
Right.

[Deniece] 10:56
Does he provide for you? Does he provide to be financially or…

[Guest] 11:00
At the time he was. Yes, he was. I'm not sure how he was able to but he had normal items like cash or cards, transportation or his phone. His place, very mysterious place. He absolutely had a condo.

[Deniece] 11:14
Did he tell you that he was in Virgin?

[Guest] 11:16
Yes, he did. He did tell me that.

[Deniece] 11:19
Knowing that he's your guardian angel and knowing that he's a virgin, did you have any hesitation or was it just like we're ready for it. Were you nervous or scared?

[Guest] 11:33
Yes. I had immense levels of guilt. Even before it got to that level, I’m pretty sure he could sense that I was attracted. So that was hard for me to prevent it from happening. I did try very hard to prevent it, but he was just insisting on it. He pretty much begged me for several days so I finally caved and allowed him, or allowed us, I should say. We both wanted that. He was nervous. I saw the guilt on his face as well. He felt real guilty. But that experience, I just can't explain it. It was definitely divine feeling of him as someone like our souls or I'm not even sure if they have souls. I'm not sure what… I'm not too sure what an angel truly is, but I know they're similar to us. But I felt like that and it just felt very cosmic, very light. I don't know, it's just not something that doesn't happen normally.

[Priest] 12:25
How was the act itself? Was it completely different than anybody or anything else you've ever experienced or was it just normal sex? Was there something completely different about it?

[Guest] 12:34
Yeah, it was completely different. Just the feeling. It's just intense euphoria that I've never felt before, ever. Then also the way he was doing that to me it seemed more like he wanted to touch my soul and satisfy a sexual desire. It was definitely not your average.

[Priest] 12:50
Was it to satisfy a sexual desire in him or in you or both of you?

[Guest] 12:56
I'm not too sure for him, but for me that's what it was. He was very attractive. He was protecting me, and it was very respectful.

[Priest] 13:01
Did the sexual relationship continue after that or was it just that one time?

[Guest] 13:05
No, it did. Yes, it did other times. I did try to stop it though. I asked him, “Please, I'm part of the church, I can't do this. We're not supposed to even do this anyway. This is breaking covenant for me. Angel code for you. We just can't do this.” He just found a way to tell me that… not that it's okay, but it's just what we want.

[Priest] 13:25
Did you ever ask him what effect this would have on him, as far as angel code?

[Guest] 13:30
I did not. I did not. I just assumed that he would have problems.

[Priest] 13:33
How long did this relationship last?

[Guest] 13:35
Several months. Until I decided I didn't want to see him again. It made it impossible for him to find me. I changed my habits, I changed like the places I frequented. And I actually did eventually leave Utah. I moved back to New York City, where I'm from. And there was just a whole other host of issues that were going on at the same time too, that weren't improving. He was doing his best to improve them, but it was not improving. I was doing my best. Yeah, there was just a whole bunch of other things that were just chasing me out of Salt Lake with some residents there, just the huge crime wave going on and it's just becoming incredibly dangerous and that's why he even appeared.

[Deniece] 14:14
But you haven't seen him since you’ve been back to New York?

[Guest] 14:16
I heard that he was definitely trying to locate me. Some mutual funds definitely let me know that because at the time I was like, “Please don't let him know where I am.” He definitely would like to locate me or at least let him see me. But I have not spoken to him. Obviously I have his number. I've actually changed my phone number. I got a new line. So I'm not sure if I'm ready to completely disconnect the old phone number.

[Priest] 14:37
If you can elaborate a little bit, how does this work now that the relationship has ended and you separated yourself from him? Does he still remain your guardian angel? Is he reassigned? Do you get a new guardian angel? How does that work?

[Guest] 14:51
I'm not too sure. I honestly believe that when they break code like that, I will get a reassignment. However, I know that pretty sure that he's still with my assignment right now, but I'm not too sure.

[Priest] 15:07
My concern is he's away and you're here now. You've broken up from him. I feel like we all need a guardian angel. We all need to make sure that somebody, something out there is looking out for us. So that's where my mind goes to is where is your guardian angel now? Is somebody watching out for you?

[Guest] 15:24
I think that he’s definitely still an assignment. So it's just complicated because I'm the one trying to disappear now.

[Priest] 15:31
Right?

[Deniece] 15:32
That's what I was wondering. What if you find yourself in a situation where you need help again? Is it he will help you and then seeing him again may get some old feelings or thoughts of the past. I was curious about that too. I don't want you to ever be in a situation again where you need a guardian angel. But I would like to know that if you were, like, you're covered.

[Priest] 15:56
There’s certainly not a book or rules to know where to go from at this point.

[Guest] 16:01
There really isn't. That's why I'm just continuing praying every day and trying to keep my covenant. Because it's pretty wild out there and not all the time you can be saved. Not all the time help can get there as soon as you need it. So that's why I was already making sure that I was always in a good situation. I never wrote myself in bad situation. But that was unavoidable. I left with the wrong people. And that happens to the best of us, sometimes. You never know what someones plotting from the moment they meet you. So that was a risk there.

[Priest] 16:31
Have you spoken to anybody else in the church or any other religious person about this? Just get some guidance from them?

[Guest] 16:38
No, I haven't because I pretty much broke a covenant and I told him that too. … in comfortable chastity until I'm married. And that's what was really preventing me from engaging that behavior with him because he knows that about me. I’m Latter Day Saints, so he knows what is required and asked of me. Not sure how he already just knew that because he's not one. That definitely would not be something I should discuss without accepting consequences. There are major consequences for that one. Specifically, it's a major covenant. It's on specific law, I think three laws we have.

[Priest] 17:16
Do you know as a guardian angel if he's non-denominational or how that works?

[Guest] 17:22
Yes. He claims that he has the general Christian background. I don't know how this works, but that's what he said his family is from. When he was trying to tell me vaguely about his parents, even the way that their lifestyle works it definitely did not sound like something of this earth. It did not sound like the lifestyle of average human beings. So that was interesting to me.

[Priest] 17:42
Are you able to share a little bit of that? Because that's something I had not even considered is the fact that he has parents.

[Deniece] 17:48
Yeah, I didn't either.

[Priest] 17:50
Yeah, I never considered where guardian angels come from. They're just there. They’re a being.

[Guest] 17:56
He allegedly has parents. He always used to talk about that but I never met them. Said that they wanted to meet me. So it's interesting that they are aware of me because he didn’t want a label on it. So he was referring to me as his girlfriend. He’d always tell me about when he was growing up and the things that dad would do with him. And he would always be like learning survival skills for combat things like firing a gun, building a fire, digging a trench, things like that. So that was interesting to me and I was wondering why, where was the time for him to get closer to God? Because he has a very deep understanding of deity and commandments and covenants and things like that. So I'm wondering how would he naturally just know all this stuff if he's out there building fires, collecting firewood, things like that. It's just mysterious to me.

[Priest] 18:48
Do you think that a guardian angel is a spiritual being or do you think that it is a person, maybe a human that goes through their normal life and then at some point is called upon or is chosen to be a guardian angel?

[Guest] 19:02
Um, I’m not too sure. I feel like it's a mixture of that and I feel like some of them are specifically just in spirit form. But I know that a handful of them are physical or they can become physical, but I don't know why or how long that's for, but most of them can become physical and interact with this world. It's very interesting, but I did hear that sometimes people, they're more human, but then they become called upon before death. But I just heard of that. I've never heard any testimony or names or things like that that proves that could have happened.

[Priest] 19:35
Yeah, I think that this opens up so many questions that I hadn't considered before, which is why I was so fascinated by the subject. Again, because I think that in general, a lot of people just think of guardian angels and angels, just these spiritual beings that are out there, and you don't see them, you can't interact with them. So to hear your story and have somebody who's here in the flesh and they have a whole life and a whole story, I think that's really an interesting side that a lot of people never considered before.

[Guest] 20:03
Yeah, it's interesting. And I feel blessed to even have met him, because not everyone gets to meet their guardian. It’s definitely different. He has different aura, he has certain abilities. His vision, his hearing, it’s just much better than mine or most people. And I've got really great vision and hearing I needed that for when I was a lifeguard, so I definitely have that and his is ten times better.

[Priest] 20:29
As far as his abilities, what's something that you saw which was completely extraordinary.

[Guest] 20:34
Just him being able to see things happening from very far away that I wouldn't even have seen. So things like that, he would just always be three steps ahead to just move me away from any type of danger. So that saved me a lot of time, so I wouldn't have to deal with things like that, like moving objects or things like that.

[Priest] 20:53
What if he did find you and he came back into your life and wanted a relationship with you?

[Guest] 20:57
I wouldn’t be surprised, because that's what he desires. I would wonder how he would have found me again. I wouldn't be too shocked.

[Priest] 21:05
Is that something that you would entertain in any type of way of saying, “Okay, I will only be in a relationship with you if we did this or this or had some kind of boundaries or barriers?”

[Guest] 21:16
I just don't know, because I'm not sure what kind of future I would have for me, especially with the disappearing part… like just completely not a trace. Very bizarre. He would disappear, like, for maybe an hour to half a day. And it's being in a situation where I'm not sure where he is.

[Priest] 21:37
That doesn’t feel very secure in a relationship.

[Guest] 21:39
It's just if what he's saying is true, I have to expect that, because that's just not how it goes. It's not supposed to be with me full time at all. It’s supposed to just be observant. It's not really like a companionship role. Not too sure exactly what their duties are, but I know their duty is not full time 24 round the clock protection. I know it's more like in moments where it's starting to surmount and then they become closer. They get closer.

[Priest] 22:13
Do you think a person has more than one guardian angel? Do you think that when he's not there, there's another guardian angel watching over you?

[Guest] 22:20
Yes, I think so. I do know that there are several angels. I believe that they're from what’s been observed because they're immortal or something like that. There's like for sure 300 that are named. I do know that's their whole team. I do feel like they have more than one assigned to the person. I just don't know like at any given time is there two or is it just one at a time? I know that with the seasons of life I feel like they will get a new assignment. So that's why I'm not too concerned about the angel code misconduct.

[Deniece] 22:57
Do you think this experience will impact future relationships? Are you dating someone now?

[Guest] 23:04
Yes, yes I am. I'm not really committed, but I am. I think I should just take it easy just because of everything I've gone through this year and then also with my career choice, it’s just hectic for me. I do feel like this will impact me in the future. I feel like I was corrupted. We all know that angels can go rogue. So when it goes rogue, it's really bad.

[Priest] 23:28
Being in this relationship with him, do you feel that you've sinned or that you corrupted him in any way? Do you feel that he was really the one pushing for this?

[Guest] 23:37
I feel like I corrupted him because I feel like at the end of the day I still took his virginity. That's just what it is.

[Deniece] 23:44
I don't look at it like that. Just an outsider's perspective would see - if this person is a guardian angel and he has a plateau of higher truth and knowledge, the responsibility is on him. I feel in this situation, if anything, he took advantage of you. I feel like he should know, being on an elevated status, he should know how to treat a human woman. I don't know how else to phrase that. But I don't think you should feel guilty.

[Priest] 24:23
If anything, he's the one more in authority. You are the one who was like, “I know you're my guardian angel. I don't think that this is the right thing to do” and he keeps pushing on that.

[Guest] 24:34
Yes. And I know that their world is to also test. So maybe I failed the test. The price is very minor compared to eternity and following God. I had that kind of experience where it felt like our souls intertwined, but it's not really something that I would like to have received because I chose to break a covenant and also do something that's spiritually incorrect. It's just wrong.

[Priest] 25:01
Do you think there's any way to have a relationship with him which is not wrong, which would be, let's say, accepted by God?

[Guest] 25:08
It should be a friendship, like I've always asked of him. I always asked him, I said “For sure I’ll be your friend, but I'm not sure about being your girlfriend or wife or mother of your children.” It's pretty heavy stuff there.

[Priest] 25:20
Is that something he's asked, to be the mother of his children?

[Guest] 25:23
Yes, he has. He said he specifically wanted to do this with me. But how did you know this would be with me? But then I keep assuming that he's just this normal human guy. He's not. He claims to be my age. He claims to be about maybe three months younger than me.

[Priest] 25:40
Do you think he is or do you think there's this angel age that he is?

[Guest] 25:44
It has to be that. Unless he's new, unless he's newly created, I'm not too sure. I know that when God created angels it was supposed to be during a specific time, so I'm not too sure. Is he really that age? If he truly is what he says he is, he's almost definitely not. Maybe that's more like what he represents. Maybe physically someone my age, but spiritually I don't see it. He’s just wise beyond his years. Yeah, it just doesn't seem like he's in that stage of, “I’m learning about this world.” He’s got that level of confidence. Like he’s already been around the block.

[Priest] 26:22
You said something earlier that he's been watching you for years or something like that. As I see it, he’s your guardian angel, and he has been watching over you for years. And just over that time, fell in love with you and had these desires with you.

[Guest] 26:36
I see what you mean. Yeah. Because I'm not sure when he was assigned and that's possibly what happened. And that's probably why he decided that enough is enough. “I can't watch this anymore; I’m going to intervene.”

[Deniece] 26:49
Have you thought about what you would do if he just showed up again?

[Guest] 26:54
I'd probably panic a little bit, wonder how he found me. But I know there's no one… that he's not really going to be going anywhere.

[Priest] 27:06
How do you see yourself moving forward from this? And how do you see your life progressing forward from this knowing that you've had this experience with him because he is your guardian angel and maybe someday he would show up. Is that something that you think about? Or do you worry he's supposed to be protecting you, but now he’s not?

[Guest] 27:22
I think he still is because my life improved a lot since I met him. A lot of things just stopped happening that were troubling me. Another little coincidence. So I do think he's still working. That’s what he would even refer to it as sometimes, but I don't think he's going to make that mistake again - trying to be like a dominant character in my life because it's just not appropriate.

[Priest] 27:46
That's the thing that stands out the most to me for him to be so dominant. We think of guardian angels as almost being submissive. And you wouldn't think of them coming into your life being so pushy, being so dominant and seeking these things out with a human.

[Guest] 28:00
He was like that though. That's the thing. Like I said, he wouldn't leave my side for hours, sometimes days at a time. He would just hang out and just make sure to be a comfortable distance away from me. So that’s why I was like, “How does he have all this unlimited time? Doesn't he have needs? Doesn't he even eventually eat?”

[Priest] 28:16
Have you seen him eat? Have you seen him do these things? Does he eat? Do guardian angels eat? Do they drink? Do they go to the bathroom?

[Guest] 28:24
Kinda. I don’t want to say he didn't because that sounds terrible. But really, he didn't do it as frequently as I or anyone else would, no. I mean, he would sometimes but it would be like work, as if he's playing along. It's just so funny.

[Priest] 28:38
Right. Interesting. Like he's playing along to make it the most normal thing for you.

[Deniece] 28:45
Right.

[Guest] 28:47
I've had a similar experience in the past but it was not as immersive as this. It was more of I had a kind of vision where an angel spoke to me but I didn't get their face. It just was more like light and a message. But that was years and years ago. I could have said yes because I was just way too comfortable immediately. That's just not how I am. I'm very reserved so for him to even have gotten that close to me the very first time… I didn't even think about that, just embraced me. But that's not normal. That's not how I am normally.

[Deniece] 29:22
You mentioned earlier you said that you had some people check into him and vet him, verify that he was legit. Do you know what any of those steps were that they took to verify him?

[Guest] 29:36
Yes. These were some psychics and they consulted with some of their counselors. They also have their tools that they use to look into this kind of stuff. They told me … and they also said they prayed deeply about it for several hours and received answers and communication about him, who he is, why he’s in my life, things like that. And it was directly relayed, that message. I guess that is him. That’s what he’s in my life for and it's not advised for me to be intimate or romantic with him at all, when it would always have some kind of chaotic results. Never ever pursue that. I had to put an end to it. It was just not okay. It's just not what he’s supposed to be doing, or me.

[Deniece] 30:17
Do you think there would be a time or a situation when it is okay?

[Guest] 30:23
Not that I know of. That's just not the kind of role he has in my life. It's similar to when you hear about a doctor and a patient. It's just never going to be appropriate. I have to stop being his patient.

[Priest] 30:34
Does he have a name or is this one of these things where you don't speak his name or you shouldn't know the angel's name?

[Guest] 30:41
Yes, he has a name. And I did provide that to the seers that looked into it and they confirmed that it's his name and that he is a being.

[Priest] 30:49
I don't mean this in any type of funny way, but did he ever appear to you as anything other than a person? And again, I know this is so cliche and stereotypical, but did he ever have wings? Did he ever come in any other form other than a man?

[Guest] 31:04
No, he did not. He did not have wings ever. But he did not physically come across as a regular human being. I noticed there was just attributes about his physical body that just were not average to someone that is human and born and raised on Earth and lives on Earth and just certain… I can't really put my finger on it. He just seemed more clean cut, in better condition than most humans, way better. And I'm not too sure how he achieved that.

[Priest] 31:32
Did you ever meet any of his friends or anybody else that he introduced to you as them also being a guardian angel?

[Guest] 31:40
No, I haven't. The only person that I was introduced to was the doorman at his apartment. That's it. We did have one mutual friend that did confirmed his status. And did also say that he also worked with other people.

[Priest] 31:53
Interesting.

[Guest] 31:54
I never saw that person again. But it was odd too because that was my friend before. So I'm not sure how could we suddenly disappear. I'm just noticing that too. I didn't really see him after he confirmed that.

[Priest] 32:05
Right.

[Guest] 32:05
Unlimited time, mysterious appearances, I don't know, very odd.

[Priest] 32:11
We often hear about paranormal and people speak of aliens and ghosts, but to have an encounter with your guardian angel is such a fascinating story that's not often told. This is exactly why I wanted you to come on our show and explain your story and let our listeners hear about that.

[Guest] 32:27
Definitely. Yeah. I've been wanting to go more into detail. If I do decide to get back in touch with him, I'll ask him, h’ell answer if he's comfortable with more people knowing about us, what's going on. But I'm not too sure what h’ell say considering their whole mission is not to be so out there. However, there have been times throughout history that they do make sure that their presence is known.

[Priest] 32:47
I would love to say if you get more answers, absolutely reach out to us. But at the same time, knowing what you've gone through, I don't want you to reach out to him when really it feels like he should be out of your life or that you're trying to keep your distance from him.

[Guest] 33:02
Out of my personal life.

[Priest] 33:04
Exactly. Out of your personal life. That's the best way to describe it.

[Guest] 33:08
That really is. Sorry, I'm just nervous talking about it because it's just so unique and rare. I'm not sure… I’m not too sure why I've chosen for us, but I think it's because I've already had this very strong connection throughout my entire life and this crime wave was really intense. I feel like that kind of pushed for, on the current … to happen.

[Priest] 33:27
Just the same way that humans can get confused about relationships and people in their lives. I wonder if this was a situation of - he’d been watching you all this time and having these feelings towards you and then of course this crime wave happened and then this incident happened with you and then he was there to protect you and all of those emotions and all those feelings just got confused into what his role was and what he should be doing, or where those boundaries are.

[Guest] 33:54
Yeah, I think that's mainly what it was because he knew that I was alone at the time. I was trying to push people out of my life because I was having trust issues with people in my life.

[Deniece] 34:05
I'm wondering if there's a way that he could choose or decide, like “I don't want to be a guardian angel anymore. I want to be with you on Earth here as a fleshly person.”

[Priest] 34:20
Yeah. Is that even an option for him?

[Deniece] 34:22
If he could make peace with his role in heaven or with God, would you be interested if you guys could sit down and say, “This is the type of future that I want to have with you. This is sort of like a plan of how we can get there.” Would you be interested in pursuing a relationship with him?

[Guest] 34:42
I would. Yes, I would. We've got amazing chemistry. Yeah.

[Deniece] 34:47
Yeah. This is a tough one because I can honestly say that if I had such a profound experience like that with someone that I felt so connected to, that desire to want to be in that relationship and have that love in my life versus him having to step down from whatever role he may be in, but you're going to want the best for your partner. I can imagine the type of struggle that you have. I hope that you get to a place where you are satisfied with the relationship that you have with him.

[Guest] 35:22
Yeah, it definitely takes two to tango because it doesn't seem like he wants to give up that position. He does enjoy that role and being able to help me in that way, he really does. So that's why I'm like… just something. He has to be like rogue. Like I said, there are other angels who’ve gone rogue and didn't work out, but they're still in this kind of limbo state or maybe not. So I don't know what kind of future that would be for me or him. And God forbid, if we have kids.

[Deniece] 35:51
Yeah, that's a whole other episode!

[Priest] 35:54
Yeah. I think until something happens like that, it’s always going to put you in a state of having to choose between this amazing chemistry that you have with him and then always feeling that you're doing wrong by your religion. Where is that balance? And we don't even know if he has that ability to step down, but it's always going to leave you in that situation if he can't.

[Guest] 36:15
That's just what it is. And that's what I had to accept when I decided that enough was enough and I was going to stand it up on the next day that he was setting for us. His goal was for us to live together, but I was still tense about it and just having a way to find me. I had to disconnect the phone at the time.

[Priest] 36:35
We do wish you the best going forward because this is definitely a difficult situation.

[Deniece] 36:39
Yeah. And you definitely have to let us know if you get back into contact with him. But also, on the flip side, I wish you the best of the current relationship. I want you to be able to grow and move away from this if that's what you want or lean into it. I hope you're happy either way.

[Priest] 36:56
He's a guardian angel. At the same time, he's an ex, right? And somehow you have to push him away and not let that affect your relationships going forward.

[Guest] 37:07
That's definitely one of my concerns because uh… and this pains me to say, during this time my endowment ceremony was missed because I was dealing with this cognitive dissonance of knowing that I was involved with him in that way and I felt even unworthy to complete my own ceremony. So I let all these obstacles pile up and was not able to complete my ceremony. So my main concern - will I be able to complete my endowment ceremony? Will my life even be in alignment with that anymore concerning how horrible I feel about this and how I even had to break things off with him?

[Priest] 37:41
I think you really have no choice but to break things off of him to go forward and to be able to move forward because as long as he's in your life, it's always going to have that attachment and that pull back to him.

[Guest] 37:53
Yes, that's true.

[Priest] 37:55
It does not sound like it's an easy situation to be in. I want to thank you so much for being on our show today and for sharing your story with us and with our listeners. Again, I think this opens up a lot of questions. It definitely opens up a deeper conversation about guardian angels and things that a lot of people haven't thought of before. So thank you so much.

[Deniece] 38:17
Have a good rest of your weekend, lady.

[Guest] 38:19
All right. And if you would like for me to come back on your show, maybe even with him.

[Deniece] 38:24
Oh, that would be amazing! That would be great!

[Priest] 38:28
That would absolutely be amazing. But at the same time, what's most important is your life. If things work out, if he's back in your life and you're happy about that, great. We would love to know about that and have you both on our show. But if you're always at the point where you're wanting to push him away, I don't want you to ever feel like you need to reach out to him to bring him into this, because what matters the most is your life and your ability to have an amazing life.

[Guest] 38:56
Yeah, definitely. And like I said, he did improve my life. I was just more being like that stubborn, a modern woman. “I don't need you around, even though you’re helping a lot.” So I do think it would be in my best interest to let him back in my life. But I have to have those clear cut boundaries because it affected us both spiritually for a long term. I don't know. I also want to consult with bishop and people like that about it, but I'm just still scared to put attention as there are consequences in the Church of Jesus Christ.

[Priest] 39:25
Yeah, I do think that you have to be careful about who you tell this to, especially in the church. I hate to say this, but there’s often a lot of people in the church or the church itself, which can be very judgmental.

[Guest] 39:38
Yeah. They'll take away my temple recommend, for sure. Yeah, like… kiss that goodbye.

[Priest] 39:45
Imagine a time where you [can] get sealed in the temple with your guardian angel.

[Guest] 39:51
Oh, man, that would be something else!

[Priest] 39:55
Yeah, I don't even know how that could happen, if that would be allowed.

[Guest] 39:51
I know there would be some divine intervention there. We'll see.

[Priest] 40:01
Yeah. Again, thank you so much for coming on our show and sharing your story. I absolutely love everything that you've been telling us.

[Guest] 40:11
Thank you. Yeah, definitely. You helped me even see more clearly like why this happened, and because I never really pondered it too much, but I was always in disbelief until I started seeing with my own eyes. I'm like, “Okay, this is not coincidence.” I'm very elusive. It's very hard to catch up with… um, yeah.

[Priest] 40:28
Well, good. Hopefully it remains that way until you are ready to be seen, until you're ready to reach out to him again, because… make sure going forward that you have the control and he's not the one running the show.

[Guest] 40:39
That is very right!

FINAL THOUGHTS / MUSIC

[Deniece] 40:48
This is a lot to take in.

[Priest] 40:50
It is a lot to take in. I feel like it opened up so many questions. I will admit my biggest concern… is this really a guardian angel, or is this a man who's presenting himself as a guardian angel?

[Deniece] 41:03
That's where I was leaning at the beginning. I've never been to Salt Lake City. I've never been to Utah. But I do know that Brigham Young - it’s Mormon Central. It’s Mormon country. Just knowing that area is Mormon Central, I'm not saying that Mormons are naive or anything like that. I'm just saying that there might be people that are young. They're just going into some of the missionary stuff with the church or they are attending Brigham Young for the first year. People that would believe, “Hey, I'm a clean cut guy and I'm from the heaven and I'm your guardian angel!” And if they say enough things, even some generic type thing, that could just lead them to believe, “Oh, he does know me. He does understand.” That's sort of where I am. Is this some dude that just happened to see a frightened young lady and he's trying to help her and trying to get some on the side?

[Priest] 42:01
I think that's the biggest mystery here. If we take away the fact that this is a real guardian angel, and if we just take that part out of the story, then the story becomes: this guy saved her, saw this happen to her and everything else going forward, this just sounds like a horrible ex-relationship I've had. That's part of the mystery there. But there's also elements like she said that the way he looked, there's different things about him which were completely otherworldly and not human. So I think that's where it leaves it for ourselves and our listeners to decide for themselves.

[Deniece] 42:39
But yes, okay. But also otherworldly to who? She may not have seen a penis before. I mean, she seems very dedicated about her Temple or stuff that needs to happen from a religious perspective. So, yeah, she may not have had a lot of experience. He could be deformed, who knows? But just some of the things that she said about, you know, he would disappear for a couple of days or hours at a time.

[Priest] 43:09
I know I've been in relationships like that, and it wasn't with a guardian angel.

[Deniece] 43:13
Exactly! So, I think we all have experiences when at a certain age, you can see some red flags because you've been through it before.

[Priest] 43:22
Right.

[Deniece] 43:23
I hope that she is able to do what's best for her, but if he does come back into her life, I'm hoping that we're able to get him on the show. I think that would be a really interesting conversation.

OUTRO 43:37
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